2007 February 22 SEDS-USA CoC Transcript
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| SEDS-USA CoC Board Meeting, February 22, 2007 |
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Time: 9:00pm EST |
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[21:03] jedi8798: evening all
[21:03] uarda2003: hello everybody
[21:03] BZWingZero: hello
[21:03] jedi8798: Josh, UofA, National Projects Director
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[21:04] viridis321: lol...yeah I was wondering where everyone else was
[21:04] uarda2003: Dhurata, PSU chapter president
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[21:05] jedi8798: I have an invite window ready
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[21:07] viridis321: MoocyMoo86
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[21:07] jedi8798: sent
[21:07] viridis321: alright cool...thanks!
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[21:08] MoocyMoo86: hi guys I am here
[21:08] MoocyMoo86: Jamila Beale
[21:08] ItssodanotpopBCS: hello all
[21:08] viridis321: good evening
[21:09] viridis321: alright, I didn't have too much planned as I have an exam tomorrow morning. Basically I just wanted to give one or two updates and see if there was anyone else that had an update
[21:09] viridis321: and then briefly go back over an ideas for national projects
[21:09] viridis321: especially the rocket project since that seems to be the popular one
[21:10] viridis321: First update is that Jessica Wayer would like anyone interested in the Apogee books deal to send her an email
[21:10] viridis321: include Apogee books in the title
[21:10] MoocyMoo86: whats that?
[21:11] viridis321: basically any chapters interested in earning a comission can either sell apogee books for I believe it's a 30% comission or so
[21:11] MoocyMoo86: ok
[21:11] viridis321: or someone from your chapter can go into the local bookstores and see how many of their books the store is carrying
[21:12] viridis321: if anyone's interested in that, email Jessica at jwayer2@uiuc.edu
[21:12] viridis321: she can also give more information on the deal
[21:13] viridis321: that was my main update...does anyone else have anything to include
[21:13] viridis321: ?
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[21:13] viridis321: if not, Josh do you want to give your quick update on XPrize while your still here
[21:14] jedi8798: sure
[21:14] jedi8798: Ok, basically on the XPrize stuff, we're waiting on them to formally publish their rules
[21:14] jedi8798: Will's really excited we want to participate
[21:15] jedi8798: One thing I wanted to add is a payload competition for the chapters that cant launch rockets
[21:15] jedi8798: since you have to launch a 75 lb dead payload now anyway
[21:15] jedi8798: if we standardize the sizes of the payloads, non-rocket chapters can build payloads
[21:15] jedi8798: and you would get a bonus in the points for the SEDS competition if you carried another SEDS chapter's payload
[21:15] jedi8798: what do you guys think of that?
[21:16] BZWingZero: Great idea
[21:16] viridis321: I agree
[21:16] ItssodanotpopBCS: now what would determine whether a chapter would or would not build a rocket
[21:16] ItssodanotpopBCS: resources?
[21:17] viridis321: yeah, money and time
[21:17] ItssodanotpopBCS: ok
[21:17] viridis321: would probably be the biggest factos
[21:17] viridis321: factors*
[21:17] jedi8798: and ability to get rocket motors, licensing, etc
[21:17] viridis321: will these payloads include any of the control/flight computers or will that be the responsibility of the rocket building chapters?
[21:17] viridis321: i.e. - parachute deployment
[21:18] jedi8798: as it looks right now, the XPrize handles all of the FAA stuff, but you guys have to handle launch ability (like having the license to launch a rocket of this motor size)
[21:18] jedi8798: which you can do by getting someone who can do that to be present and sign off I believe
[21:18] jedi8798: D, I think they would be seperate
[21:18] jedi8798: at least in the traditional sense they are
[21:18] AeroE901j: hey, this is allen from Iowa state, that is correct, you can have someone sign off on it
[21:19] jedi8798: payload is completely independent from rocket guidance
[21:19] viridis321: good point
[21:19] MoocyMoo86: How do you get a rocket license
[21:19] AeroE901j: i probably missed it, but what kind of motors are you planning on using for this?
[21:19] jedi8798: Saturn 5s were in reality controlled by a flight collar
[21:19] ItssodanotpopBCS: now would our goal be to have as many payload chapters as we would have rocket builders?
[21:19] jedi8798: Aero- we have to wait for competition rules to be published at teh end of this month
[21:19] BZWingZero: The motor type would be determined by what the requirements for weight and altitude as well as restrictions on fuels
[21:19] jedi8798: Its- The competition involves launching your rocket as many times as possible
[21:19] AeroE901j: ok, you have any idea if it would be solids or hybrids?
[21:20] jedi8798: I think they would probally leave that open to you to decide
[21:20] AeroE901j: because experimental motors dont even require a sign-off
[21:20] viridis321: but not all places allow them though do they?
[21:20] viridis321: I think we've had some problems down here with experimental motors
[21:20] AeroE901j: nope, but at X-prize they will
[21:21] viridis321: ok
[21:21] jedi8798: basically on the engine and rocket permissions you will have to work on teh approvals yourself
[21:21] jedi8798: locally
[21:21] AeroE901j: its a special FAA waiver for EX i believe
[21:21] AeroE901j: ok
[21:21] jedi8798: then the FAA stuff is cleared
[21:21] jedi8798: yup (sorry lagging)
[21:22] AeroE901j: haha, so what kind of budget are we talking about for this rocket
[21:22] AeroE901j: for each group
[21:22] BZWingZero: depends on the target for altitude and weight
[21:22] AeroE901j: ok, i just know this stuff gets expensive real fast
[21:22] jedi8798: yup
[21:22] jedi8798: thats why we have to make the prize sizable
[21:23] jedi8798: you will have to fundraise your rocket funds yourself
[21:23] jedi8798: sponsors and what not
[21:23] jedi8798: National will handle matching rockets with payloads, logistics day of, prize money, etc
[21:23] jedi8798: helping you find lodging,
[21:23] AeroE901j: ok, i dont think our chapter has the resouces and connections to do that now
[21:23] jedi8798: can always try
[21:24] jedi8798: and the XPrize will hopefully be doing htis yearly
[21:24] viridis321: start sending out letters requesting money
[21:24] AeroE901j: true, i am sure some do, and it sounds like an interesting project, but it will be hard to complete in time and on budget
[21:24] jedi8798: and the XPrize will hopefully be doing htis yearly
[21:24] AeroE901j: that would help
[21:24] viridis321: I agree with the time problem...it is definitely an ambitious deadline
[21:24] jedi8798: yeah
[21:24] jedi8798: like most of these 'competitions'
[21:24] jedi8798: its basically a prize that has a predetermined winner, if any
[21:25] jedi8798: like the lunar lander challenge
[21:25] jedi8798: people have to have been working usually on this beforehand
[21:25] jedi8798: but I believe SEDS chapters could pull it off
[21:25] jedi8798: especially if you start fundraising NOW
[21:25] viridis321: most SEDS people I know are pretty motivated
[21:25] jedi8798: like, tommorow
[21:25] viridis321: lol
[21:26] jedi8798: make sure to drop teh XPrize name when you're fundraising
[21:26] viridis321: Fundraising will definitely be easier once we are non-profit
[21:26] jedi8798: alot more people have heard about the competition and cup than you think
[21:26] jedi8798: amen to that
[21:26] viridis321: a lot of companies have been willing to give us money but only if we were nonprofit
[21:26] jedi8798: yeah
[21:26] jedi8798: you might also be able to sweet talk your local Space Grant chapter into letting you get donations through their non-profit
[21:27] jedi8798: people donate it to the space grant so they can write it off, then space grant gives it all directly to you
[21:28] viridis321: yeah, our Space grant has been very helpful
[21:28] viridis321: alright, anything else to add to this, questions, etc?
[21:29] jedi8798: any questions you have on the rocket project, clarifications, etc.. let me know
[21:29] viridis321: Just as a quick chapter update...Illinois is starting a supersonic rocket project now as well
[21:29] jedi8798: I will be setting up a listserv this weekend
[21:30] viridis321: for? the projects?
[21:30] jedi8798: rocket project specifically
[21:30] jedi8798: for questions, etc
[21:30] viridis321: ok cool
[21:31] jedi8798: Which chapters here are interested in building a rocket for the competition again?
[21:31] jedi8798: (just for my records)
[21:31] viridis321: I believe UCF is, although I'm not sure about it for this XPrize. We'll have to talk to the group at our meeting tomorrow
[21:32] AeroE901j: real quick, what does this project consist of?
[21:32] jedi8798: The Rocket Project is the Rocket Competition prize
[21:32] jedi8798: we just use the names interchangebly
[21:32] AeroE901j: oh, i thought this was a different project, sorry
[21:33] jedi8798: so it is basically build a reusable rocket that can get to 20,000 feet with a 75-100 lb payload
[21:34] AeroE901j: i dont think the Iowa State chapter can do it for this year
[21:34] jedi8798: and launch as many times as possible within a certain period of time
[21:34] AeroE901j: we need some more experiance and get some fundraising connections
[21:35] jedi8798: well if you need any help, ideas, let me know
[21:36] viridis321: best way to do it is come up with a nice letter and mail to anyone and everyone
[21:36] AeroE901j: ok, we have a smaller competition project that we designed for this year we will be working on, might give us some good experiance
[21:37] viridis321: even non-engineering/technical companies
[21:37] AeroE901j: yeah, we will need to do that for this project, so we will see how much help we can get
[21:38] AeroE901j: How many SEDS groups have built a large rocket in the past?
[21:38] jedi8798: current chapters, I think its mainly UCF and ERAU?
[21:38] viridis321: UCF has done one
[21:38] jedi8798: in the past I know UofA built a ton
[21:38] jedi8798: none of those members are still around
[21:38] viridis321: UI is currently working on one now
[21:39] AeroE901j: ah, well it takes quite a bit of work, if the group is large enough and well organized it can be done though
[21:39] viridis321: FIT is also doing a lot as well
[21:40] viridis321: UCF started out with about 20 people working on it, but in the end it withered down to 4 or 5 and that was all that was really needed
[21:40] AeroE901j: ok, that would be good to get a lot of groups involved
[21:40] MoocyMoo86: I know our Chapter at Penn State is considering it but we really dont have the resources either
[21:41] viridis321: we divided it into groups...we had different deparments (launch pad, payload, aero, business, and I htink one or two more)
[21:42] viridis321: if you divide into groups like that you can get people from different majors involved...AE, EE, ME, CE, and business even
[21:42] jedi8798: is it more fundraising resources, or machining resoures you guys lack?
[21:43] viridis321: if it's machining, you can always find a local machine shop as a "sponsor" to do the work for free or really cheap
[21:43] AeroE901j: fundraising resources, if we had $15,000 laying around, i think it would be great for us
[21:43] viridis321: we did that and it worked out quit well..they did all of our welding, and machining at no cost
[21:43] jedi8798: talk to the local aerospace firms
[21:43] jedi8798: etc
[21:43] jedi8798: alot of them have big student outreach programs
[21:44] jedi8798: and educational funds
[21:44] jedi8798: and ask advisors to help ya fundraise it
[21:44] jedi8798: 15,000 isnt that much in reality
[21:44] jedi8798: UW raised something like 50 thousand for their Zero G project
[21:46] AeroE901j: ok, we will try to make some good connections then over the next year for our smaller project, then see about doing something big next year
[21:46] AeroE901j: if we can get a large number of people involved in it
[21:48] viridis321: advertise the group around campus...I've found that there are a lot more people out there who are interesting in building rockets than you'd think
[21:49] viridis321: or advertise the projects that the chapter is working on
[21:49] viridis321: alright, is there anything else from anyone
[21:49] viridis321: ?
[21:50] viridis321: if not, then we will call this meeting to an end
[21:50] MoocyMoo86: byes
[21:50] viridis321: good nite everyone
[21:50] ItssodanotpopBCS: cya
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