SEDS-Earth Meeting Minutes 20071210

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SEDS-Earth Meeting, December 10, 2007

Time: 1400 GMT
Location: Yahoo! Messenger
Attendance: Lavina Parwani (PhilSEDS), Rick Hanton (SEDS-USA), Tom Nordheim (UKSEDS), Michael Jensen (SEDS Canada), Leye Salu (SEDS Nigeria)

(09:09:12 AM) goldenleo9 entered the room.
(09:09:12 AM) jenmichael2000 entered the room.
(09:09:27 AM) jenmichael2000: greetings all! :)
(09:10:08 AM) jenmichael2000: waiting for more people... (I have time)
(09:10:15 AM) goldenleo9: me too
(09:10:17 AM) goldenleo9: ok
(09:11:29 AM) jenmichael2000: unless there is something you wanted to say that is either only relevant to me, or or you don't mind saying many times ;)
(09:11:53 AM) jenmichael2000: be back soon.
(09:12:41 AM) goldenleo9: haha, I'm good, I can wait
(09:15:55 AM) jenmichael2000: we sure are popular, aren't we?
(09:17:39 AM) jenmichael2000: tom is online...
(09:17:51 AM) goldenleo9: yeah, but he can't attend the meeting
(09:17:56 AM) jenmichael2000: geoff is online to...
(09:18:00 AM) goldenleo9: I don't have the YM addresses of the other SEDS EARTH leaders
(09:18:10 AM) jenmichael2000: ...
(09:18:15 AM) jenmichael2000: ask them?
(09:18:16 AM) goldenleo9: I think once you're in the chat room you can invite people too
(09:18:16 AM) goldenleo9: can you invite whoever you think?
(09:18:35 AM) jenmichael2000: ...how?
(09:18:58 AM) tolkien97 entered the room.
(09:19:20 AM) jenmichael2000: hi geoff!
(09:19:31 AM) tolkien97: aloha :) Hi Lavina :)
(09:19:42 AM) tolkien97: reading your e-mails now Mike
(09:19:58 AM) jenmichael2000: so, geoff, seriously, how much time do you have before work?
(09:20:24 AM) tolkien97: I need to be there for 10
(09:20:27 AM) tolkien97: so very little
(09:20:31 AM) tolkien97: I'm not dressed yet
(09:20:32 AM) tolkien97: heh
(09:20:48 AM) tolkien97: or showered..you get the idea
(09:20:50 AM) jenmichael2000: lavina, I am trying to recruite geoff to help seds canada and the canadian space society with our websites and databases,
(09:21:16 AM) jenmichael2000: given the nature of computers, I figured that this could also mean seds earth...
(09:21:25 AM) jenmichael2000: but anyway...
(09:21:26 AM) tolkien97: oh!
(09:21:37 AM) tolkien97: a place for you to stay! of course :)
(09:21:46 AM) jenmichael2000: I suspect that we will be the only ones in this meeting...
(09:22:02 AM) goldenleo9: Hi Geoff
(09:22:07 AM) goldenleo9: no, Allison said she'll be here
(09:22:10 AM) goldenleo9: and so will Vikrant
(09:22:10 AM) jenmichael2000: you needed to get back to me before now geoff... the show was saturday night.
(09:22:19 AM) jenmichael2000: when will they come?
(09:22:22 AM) tolkien97: ohhh
(09:22:29 AM) goldenleo9: they didnt say
(09:22:41 AM) tolkien97: how was it?
(09:22:57 AM) jenmichael2000: I didn't go.
(09:23:06 AM) tolkien97: aw crud :(
(09:23:10 AM) jenmichael2000: if I had had an e-mail from you I might have...
(09:23:28 AM) tolkien97: :S
(09:23:55 AM) tolkien97: I'll reply to the e-mails about SEDS at lunch okay? :)
(09:24:10 AM) jenmichael2000: awesome :)
(09:24:54 AM) goldenleo9: sorry I'm a bit quiet
(09:25:02 AM) tolkien97: :) ok I gotta go get ready and sprint to work, but I'll stick around so that I can read the meeting later
(09:25:03 AM) goldenleo9: I'm trying to get some studying done before the rest arrive
(09:25:06 AM) goldenleo9: I hope you don't mind
(09:25:12 AM) tolkien97: not at all Lavina! ;)
(09:26:50 AM) jenmichael2000: I am trying to get the latest version of the seds canada website up...
(09:31:40 AM) hantonr entered the room.
(09:31:59 AM) goldenleo9: Hantonr, may I have your name please? :)
(09:32:04 AM) jenmichael2000: hello hantonr... is that your real name?
(09:32:05 AM) goldenleo9: I don't recognize the screenname
(09:32:15 AM) hantonr: Rick Hanton from Iowa State
(09:32:25 AM) goldenleo9: Also, if you know anyone else planning to join the conference, feel free to invite them
(09:32:43 AM) goldenleo9: Hi Rick
(09:32:48 AM) goldenleo9: So far it's the three of us
(09:32:51 AM) hantonr: Hi
(09:32:52 AM) jenmichael2000: hi rick :)
(09:32:54 AM) goldenleo9: We're expecting two more at least
(09:33:07 AM) goldenleo9: If you like we can get started now, or we can wait, whichever you prefer
(09:33:08 AM) jenmichael2000: this is michael, from canada...
(09:33:17 AM) goldenleo9: I am Lavina, from PhilSEDS (Philippines)
(09:33:42 AM) jenmichael2000: I am a circus guy building a website and going into engineering...
(09:33:59 AM) goldenleo9: We can also wait on the chapter updates (so everyone can participate) and discuss ideas for the next SEDS-EARTH project
(09:34:00 AM) jenmichael2000: (I have done physics as well...
(09:34:34 AM) jenmichael2000: a few words bout yourself rick?
(09:34:46 AM) jenmichael2000: or we can wait.
(09:34:59 AM) hantonr: I am an aerospace student at Iowa State and currently the president of the Iowa State chapter of SEDS
(09:35:10 AM) jenmichael2000: k :)
(09:35:36 AM) goldenleo9: So all in favor of starting a discussion about the next SEDS-EARTH project?
(09:35:48 AM) hantonr: sounds good
(09:35:58 AM) jenmichael2000: ok :)
(09:36:21 AM) goldenleo9: Ok. I know Mike has been on the SEDS Forums
(09:36:29 AM) goldenleo9: Rick, have you visited the SEDS-EARTH Forum?
(09:36:37 AM) goldenleo9: (which is on the SEDS Forum site)
(09:36:41 AM) hantonr: Not much
(09:37:04 AM) goldenleo9: Ah. I'll link you. That's where we've been throwing ideas for the next SEDS EARTH project
(09:39:01 AM) goldenleo9: http://forums.seds.org/forumdisplay.php?f=51
(09:39:46 AM) goldenleo9: This post lists some ideas: http://forums.seds.org/showpost.php?p=3585&postcount=2
(09:40:35 AM) goldenleo9: And this is on the wiki: http://wiki.seds.org/index.php/Space_Image_Archive
(09:41:12 AM) hantonr: OK, I did see that page recently. I like the idea.
(09:41:47 AM) goldenleo9: We're also trying to compile a SEDS directory of all SEDS Chapters, and Anmol Sharma from SEDS VIT suggested a standardized format for updated chapter profiles here: http://forums.seds.org/showthread.php?t=2642
(09:41:58 AM) jenmichael2000: there are some pretty neet pictures there, actually!
(09:42:14 AM) goldenleo9: WHat we're going to do today is try to decide on ONE project, and dedicate our efforts to its achievement (Kirk's idea, which I agree with)
(09:42:38 AM) goldenleo9: SO go ahead, tear this into pieces and pick your favorite ;)
(09:42:48 AM) jenmichael2000: the thing that anmol suggested is one that I have been working on...
(09:43:01 AM) jenmichael2000: just so you know...
(09:43:01 AM) goldenleo9: or if you can think of another, more feasible idea, then feel free to throw it out
(09:43:09 AM) goldenleo9: *nods* Yes, Mike :)
(09:43:20 AM) jenmichael2000: It is in the guise of the seda canada site, but can be applied internationally.
(09:43:25 AM) jenmichael2000: my two cents.
(09:43:35 AM) hantonr: hmmm
(09:43:59 AM) jenmichael2000: but that is not to impact the decisions of seds earth...
(09:44:23 AM) tom.nordheim entered the room.
(09:44:39 AM) hantonr: So are we deciding between working on portions of the Internet Space Archive and doing a better job of cataloging SEDS chapters?
(09:45:18 AM) jenmichael2000: or perhaps starting up some other project that may be even more worthwhile...
(09:45:33 AM) jenmichael2000: if anybody thinks of one.
(09:45:44 AM) goldenleo9: Exactly
(09:46:04 AM) hantonr: ok
(09:47:04 AM) goldenleo9: So...what do you guys think about our different options?
(09:47:36 AM) hantonr: Well, I am a fan of getting information from all the International chapters and then cataloging it, but the Internet Space Archive has some real promise if we do it right.
(09:48:05 AM) jenmichael2000: I think the two projects are two facets of the same, personally...
(09:48:12 AM) goldenleo9: Yes and no, Mike
(09:48:18 AM) goldenleo9: it'd do best not to confuse the two
(09:48:39 AM) hantonr: I agree
(09:49:05 AM) goldenleo9: My thoughts: I think perhaps getting information from all the international chapters have to be assigned to one person on the SEDS EARTH council (3 members have been chosen).
(09:49:23 AM) hantonr: That sounds good.
(09:49:26 AM) goldenleo9: The rest of the body can concentrate on bigger projects like the Internet Space Archive (ISA)
(09:50:47 AM) goldenleo9: Alright
(09:50:54 AM) goldenleo9: So, say we go with the Internet Space Archive
(09:51:04 AM) goldenleo9: How can we break down the logistics of this so that it can "be done right"?
(09:52:23 AM) jenmichael2000: just so that we get this straight, the sia is a place to store what precisely?
(09:52:35 AM) jenmichael2000: images, links, news, people?
(09:52:46 AM) jenmichael2000: chapters?
(09:52:56 AM) jenmichael2000: or all of those?
(09:53:19 AM) goldenleo9: I think perhaps to store the information is not right...too much
(09:53:30 AM) goldenleo9: But if we index and link all the information available online
(09:53:33 AM) hantonr: I agree.
(09:53:44 AM) goldenleo9: all of those
(09:53:47 AM) goldenleo9: Into a comprehensible database that's user-friendly, I think we'll have done our job
(09:54:13 AM) tom.nordheim: *her
(09:54:14 AM) goldenleo9: when I say logistics, I mean, dividing the work between chapters, site coding, site design, indexing system, etc
(09:54:23 AM) jenmichael2000: something I am particularly interested in is how we store our information so that it can be displayed in a number of different formats.
(09:54:34 AM) goldenleo9: we can't divide labor yet, because everyone's not here
(09:54:38 AM) tom.nordheim: what do you mean?(sorry to jump in her=
(09:54:39 AM) hantonr: What kind of formats?
(09:54:44 AM) tom.nordheim: so you want a database of links rather than a database of info like wiki?
(09:55:08 AM) goldenleo9: but we can define responsibilities already, and list the individual tasks that need to be accomplished
(09:55:19 AM) goldenleo9: I think the ISA will be a combination, Tom
(09:55:20 AM) tom.nordheim: *like the
(09:55:22 AM) goldenleo9: links and info
(09:55:52 AM) tom.nordheim: why not use the wiki for this ?
(09:55:55 AM) jenmichael2000: the systems of storing the data, retrieving it, and displaying it could all be considered distinct.
(09:56:17 AM) tom.nordheim: the only thing you would need is someone dedicated to adding more content
(09:56:41 AM) tom.nordheim: the wiki already presents and excellent framework for doing this
(09:56:51 AM) jenmichael2000: and keeping it up to date.
(09:56:51 AM) goldenleo9: that's just it... we're not saying someONE, we're pulling all the chapters into this so we can do it properly
(09:56:53 AM) goldenleo9: and I agree, Tom
(09:57:12 AM) goldenleo9: the wiki is excellent
(09:57:22 AM) goldenleo9: we just need an indexing system, and someone to collect the information
(09:57:25 AM) goldenleo9: *some people
(09:57:32 AM) jenmichael2000: the problem I have with the wiki is that it's style is not the same as that of the blogs, or the forums, etc.
(09:57:51 AM) tom.nordheim: you mean purely with regards to looks?
(09:57:52 AM) jenmichael2000: I would like all these services to be unified with a common style...
(09:57:56 AM) jenmichael2000: sure.
(09:58:04 AM) tom.nordheim: that's not a problem
(09:58:08 AM) goldenleo9: yeah
(09:58:11 AM) goldenleo9: I thnk that's secondary
(09:58:18 AM) goldenleo9: It's important
(09:58:19 AM) tom.nordheim: the wiki can be customized with skins
(09:58:19 AM) goldenleo9: but secondary
(09:58:20 AM) jenmichael2000: ultimately, the way the data is stored is independant of this...
(09:58:25 AM) tom.nordheim: that shouldn't be a big issue
(09:58:45 AM) hantonr: can you go into a bit of detail?
(09:58:53 AM) jenmichael2000: but it -is- until somebody deels with it ;)
(09:59:22 AM) jenmichael2000: it feels like we are chasing our tails...
(09:59:26 AM) jenmichael2000: the wiki exists.
(09:59:35 AM) jenmichael2000: we need everybody to add content to it.
(09:59:38 AM) jenmichael2000: simple.
(09:59:42 AM) tom.nordheim: why not put toegether a team of people from different seds chapters as a "task force" for improving the wiki
(09:59:45 AM) tom.nordheim: with this goal in mind
(09:59:45 AM) jenmichael2000: the structure is already there.
(09:59:58 AM) jenmichael2000: we went to change the styles, that is simple apparently...
(10:00:07 AM) goldenleo9: that's what we're trying to do Tom
(10:00:11 AM) jenmichael2000: so what are we here to decide?
(10:00:16 AM) jenmichael2000: which skinn to use.
(10:00:21 AM) jenmichael2000: and wat else?
(10:00:29 AM) goldenleo9: the Space Archive is not just for SEDS info, which is what the wiki has been used for to date
(10:00:48 AM) jenmichael2000: task force. sure.
(10:00:58 AM) goldenleo9: basically you can say that we're trying to expand the SEDS wiki to include information that would go in a "space archive"
(10:01:10 AM) goldenleo9: since we think the wiki is a good tool for this
(10:01:20 AM) hantonr: So would we set up a seperate wiki or subset of the wiki to hold this information?
(10:02:02 AM) jenmichael2000: perhaps... Something else I think we should keep in mind is that
(10:02:20 AM) jenmichael2000: even if we consider it easy to chage the style of the wiki,
(10:02:29 AM) goldenleo9: hmm
(10:02:37 AM) jenmichael2000: it will not necessarilly be easy to decide which style it should be changed to...
(10:02:42 AM) jenmichael2000: we need to agree on that.
(10:02:42 AM) goldenleo9: i think creating a separate wiki will be unnecessary
(10:02:57 AM) jenmichael2000: I', not saying to make a seperate wiki.
(10:03:18 AM) jenmichael2000: I am talking about finding a way of presenting a unified face, and deciding what that face will be.
(10:03:20 AM) tom.nordheim: someone just makes a "SEDS" skin for the wiki and it's set as the default
(10:03:34 AM) tom.nordheim: it's as easy as that
(10:03:53 AM) jenmichael2000: how do youmake this skinn? not just any old site will work...
(10:04:00 AM) goldenleo9: Hang on
(10:04:05 AM) goldenleo9: MIke, forget the skin for now, please?
(10:04:10 AM) jenmichael2000: ok :)
(10:04:15 AM) goldenleo9: it's not easy
(10:04:18 AM) goldenleo9: but it IS secondary
(10:04:30 AM) goldenleo9: there's no point in skinning the wiki if we don't have content
(10:04:44 AM) goldenleo9: We're still discussing how to create and archive this content
(10:05:04 AM) jenmichael2000: by country, subject...
(10:05:32 AM) tom.nordheim: like any other wiki
(10:05:40 AM) jenmichael2000: all you need is a table that includes a column for every relevant criteria.
(10:05:55 AM) goldenleo9: tom, you need to be more specific
(10:06:04 AM) jenmichael2000: so why don't we just send out regular e-mails telling people to add stuf to the wiki?
(10:06:16 AM) goldenleo9: because that won't do anything
(10:06:21 AM) goldenleo9: we have to assign responsibility
(10:06:36 AM) jenmichael2000: and hence the task force.
(10:07:12 AM) jenmichael2000: each national president will be responsible, and they can delegate if they want.
(10:07:32 AM) jenmichael2000: ?
(10:07:36 AM) tom.nordheim: why should the national lead be responsible
(10:07:47 AM) jenmichael2000: other ideas?
(10:07:51 AM) tom.nordheim: wouldn't it be better to just have members from differnt chapters, and making them personally responsible
(10:08:01 AM) tom.nordheim: the president usually has enough on his/her mind
(10:08:07 AM) jenmichael2000: who, and how?
(10:08:20 AM) hantonr: I know I would just work on it in my free time.
(10:08:21 AM) jenmichael2000: who do we choose, and how do we make them responsible?
(10:08:34 AM) goldenleo9: hmm
(10:08:37 AM) jenmichael2000: the million dollar questions....
(10:08:43 AM) goldenleo9: Alright
(10:08:49 AM) goldenleo9: We have us, here, now?
(10:09:08 AM) goldenleo9: we're obviously not going to do the work
(10:09:12 AM) goldenleo9: All the work*
(10:09:32 AM) goldenleo9: but we can be a part of the task force that helps distribute responsibility among all those acrive in the SEDS EARTH body
(10:09:39 AM) goldenleo9: presidents or non presidents
(10:09:56 AM) jenmichael2000: It seems to me like what most people do to get this kind of information through google...
(10:10:24 AM) jenmichael2000: maybe it would me more appropriate to focus our energy on communicating the kind of stuf that is happening in our respective chapters?
(10:10:43 AM) jenmichael2000: not to derail the meeting...
(10:10:58 AM) tom.nordheim: that can always be a category in any case
(10:11:08 AM) tom.nordheim: (seds activites)
(10:11:42 AM) bosalu entered the room.
(10:11:43 AM) jenmichael2000: I guess the only thing we can really do is massivly promote the archive.
(10:12:00 AM) jenmichael2000: make sure everybody knows what it it, where it is, and how to use it.
(10:12:00 AM) bosalu: hello every one
(10:12:06 AM) jenmichael2000: hi bosalu!
(10:12:11 AM) jenmichael2000: what is your name?
(10:12:13 AM) goldenleo9: youc an't use it if it doens't exist
(10:12:14 AM) jenmichael2000: where are you?
(10:12:18 AM) goldenleo9: Leye, can you introduce yourself? :)
(10:12:51 AM) bosalu: Leye Salu
(10:13:20 AM) hantonr: Hi Leye, I'm Rick. Where are you from?
(10:14:10 AM) bosalu: am in nigeria, the heart of africa
(10:14:15 AM) bosalu: i am a graduate student in satellite communication
(10:14:30 AM) jenmichael2000: it exists, here it is: http://wiki.seds.org/index.php/Space_Information_Archive
(10:14:43 AM) bosalu: how about you:)
(10:14:49 AM) jenmichael2000: awesome! another satellite guy!
(10:14:56 AM) jenmichael2000: pres, seds canada...
(10:15:02 AM) jenmichael2000: circus guy :)
(10:15:12 AM) goldenleo9: Leye's working on SEDSAT2, as well
(10:15:12 AM) jenmichael2000: engineer, physicist...
(10:15:20 AM) jenmichael2000: no surprise ;)
(10:15:30 AM) jenmichael2000: wish I could say the same :(
(10:15:31 AM) bosalu: nice to meet you
(10:15:37 AM) jenmichael2000: and you :)
(10:15:55 AM) tom.nordheim: why not set this whole thing up a as SEDS-Earth project in the same way that sedsat2 was set up
(10:16:02 AM) jenmichael2000: so, as I was saying,
(10:16:09 AM) jenmichael2000: it is already there, is it not?
(10:16:16 AM) tom.nordheim: where we use the ticketing system to handle team applications
(10:16:20 AM) bosalu: so whatssup?
(10:16:29 AM) jenmichael2000: and tom, to set it up like sedsat 2 doesn't seem like a bad idea...
(10:16:42 AM) tom.nordheim : and let them include two wiki style articles on relevant topics in their application
(10:16:59 AM) tom.nordheim: so we can gauge their writing skills
(10:17:16 AM) jenmichael2000: I am nervous about using the sedsat 2 structure for this project actually...
(10:17:35 AM) jenmichael2000: I really can't say i like the whole cc idea, with applications...
(10:17:44 AM) jenmichael2000: just makes me nervous... very formal...
(10:18:07 AM) jenmichael2000: but again, how else do you make people acountable?
(10:18:14 AM) tom.nordheim: well the thing here right
(10:18:28 AM) goldenleo9: Um, Mike, there is already a "CC" for SEDS EARTH, with the SEDS Council
(10:18:33 AM) goldenleo9: which you are a part of, am I right?
(10:18:48 AM) tom.nordheim: is that you can't count on having loads of people who bother to add things on the wiki(hence we need the task force)
(10:18:49 AM) jenmichael2000: when you have applications, and cc's, you put a lot of power into a few hands. that's what I don't like.
(10:18:57 AM) jenmichael2000: with all respect to the two cc members here ;)
(10:19:03 AM) tom.nordheim: well as Lav says you are already a part of the evil empire yourself
(10:19:04 AM) goldenleo9: The SEDS EARTH Council is led by you three, but it consists of all the chapter leaders from around the world, right?
(10:19:39 AM) goldenleo9: it's not a question of consolidating power, Mike
(10:19:45 AM) goldenleo9: It's a question of handling responsibility
(10:19:52 AM) jenmichael2000: I am not really involved in the seds earth chouncis yet so hah! ;)
(10:19:55 AM) tom.nordheim: what I'm trying to say here is that if you are going to have a few people responsible for this they need to be able to provide articles of a certain calibrle
(10:19:56 AM) goldenleo9: ok
(10:19:58 AM) tom.nordheim: caliber
(10:19:58 AM) goldenleo9: moving on
(10:20:04 AM) tom.nordheim: otherwise ther is no point really
(10:20:09 AM) goldenleo9: Let me recap this
(10:20:11 AM) hantonr: Can't we ask for volunteers when we ask for information from the International chapters?
(10:20:20 AM) goldenleo9: 1) We have a Space Aechive
(10:20:26 AM) goldenleo9: 2) We use the Wiki
(10:20:29 AM) goldenleo9: 3) We have a task force
(10:20:45 AM) jenmichael2000: articles of a certain calibre... now we are getting somewhere!
(10:20:47 AM) goldenleo9: 4) People apply to be on the task force? Applications approved by SEDS EARTH Council heads
(10:21:00 AM) goldenleo9: 5) Task Force takes charge of the Space Archive
(10:21:02 AM) jenmichael2000: you can't have articles of a certain calibre if you are only collecting links!
(10:21:10 AM) goldenleo9: 6) Task Force delegates responsibility
(10:21:13 AM) goldenleo9: (talking here :P)
(10:21:25 AM) goldenleo9: OK, done. Now have I missed anything in that list?
(10:21:45 AM) jenmichael2000: sory... :(
(10:22:01 AM) jenmichael2000: your list seems preet complete ;)
(10:22:10 AM) hantonr: I agree.
(10:22:21 AM) bosalu: jenmichael,rick nice to meet you guys, got to go however; bye:-h
(10:22:22 AM) jenmichael2000: you mave mentioned something important.
(10:22:29 AM) jenmichael2000: bye...
(10:22:34 AM) hantonr: bye
(10:22:47 AM) goldenleo9: alright
(10:22:49 AM) jenmichael2000: you are now talking about quality articles.
(10:22:57 AM) bosalu left the room.
(10:22:59 AM) jenmichael2000: I like this much more than links.
(10:23:01 AM) goldenleo9: so we have two items on the agenda
(10:23:06 AM) jenmichael2000: together with links)
(10:23:19 AM) hantonr: I think links can be needed too.
(10:23:24 AM) tom.nordheim: well there is no point in just collecting links(although if you have articles you'll have links too)
(10:23:26 AM) jenmichael2000: I think posting articles with attached links is a very good idea.
(10:23:27 AM) goldenleo9: I agree with Rick
(10:23:35 AM) goldenleo9: A lot of links
(10:23:48 AM) goldenleo9: 1) Application form needs to be drafted
(10:24:07 AM) goldenleo9: 2) The Council leaders need to set a timeline
(10:24:10 AM) jenmichael2000: but links with no explanation, no organizational system... less useful.
(10:24:15 AM) goldenleo9: anything else you want to add to the task list?
(10:24:49 AM) hantonr: Articles with attached links are better, but in the case of pictures, there are databases that we can link to (NASA for instance) that are bigger than we could ever build.
(10:24:58 AM) goldenleo9: I agree, Rick
(10:24:59 AM) jenmichael2000: not particularly... other than the importance of deciding on a skinn... ;)
(10:25:28 AM) goldenleo9: The image categories can have their own pages with links and can also be linked to relevant articles
(10:25:42 AM) hantonr: That would be nice.
(10:25:44 AM) jenmichael2000: even for the nasa database, we can write an article and attach a link...
(10:26:00 AM) tom.nordheim: well the thing is
(10:26:09 AM) tom.nordheim: when you write a wiki article you need references
(10:26:10 AM) jenmichael2000: so who will be on the task force doing all this?
(10:26:14 AM) tom.nordheim : so you'll have links anyway
(10:26:25 AM) jenmichael2000: we three?
(10:26:35 AM) goldenleo9: um, sorry
(10:26:44 AM) goldenleo9: haha, task force duties are strenuous
(10:26:50 AM) goldenleo9: I have way too many responsibilities
(10:26:56 AM) jenmichael2000: or the seds earth chouncil, me, pradeep, and a third guy...
(10:27:05 AM) goldenleo9: I can help, but I can't take on this burden full time
(10:27:15 AM) jenmichael2000: neither can I :(
(10:27:22 AM) goldenleo9: I think the seds earth council accepts applications for the task force
(10:27:23 AM) hantonr: I can help as well (more full time after January 19)
(10:27:30 AM) jenmichael2000: I am trying at the moment to finish the things I have started...
(10:27:42 AM) goldenleo9: the task force should NOT be the seds earth council
(10:27:49 AM) goldenleo9: delegation is key
(10:27:51 AM) jenmichael2000: oh?
(10:27:52 AM) hantonr: ok
(10:27:55 AM) tom.nordheim: yeah I'm with you on that one
(10:28:05 AM) goldenleo9: alright
(10:28:21 AM) goldenleo9: so the key thing here is that the seds earth council needs to draw up an application form
(10:28:29 AM) goldenleo9: and an application process, and timeline
(10:28:35 AM) jenmichael2000: so we have to find people who are not on the chouncil, and not the cc of sedsat2
(10:28:39 AM) goldenleo9: yes
(10:28:44 AM) goldenleo9: that's ok though
(10:28:51 AM) goldenleo9: we can open up applications to the world
(10:28:54 AM) tom.nordheim: why is not being part of the cc so important?
(10:28:57 AM) tom.nordheim: not that I want to join here
(10:28:58 AM) goldenleo9: we just have to give them SOMETHING
(10:29:04 AM) tom.nordheim: but that has nothing to do with this
(10:29:08 AM) hantonr: like what?
(10:29:23 AM) goldenleo9: (haha, Tom, I think he's just referring to not getting people with consuming responsibilities at the moment)
(10:29:28 AM) goldenleo9: so they can concentrate on this
(10:29:35 AM) jenmichael2000: so your proposal for what we do as seds earth chouncil? I assume that we would have to send out applications and then accept them, set a timeline,
(10:29:43 AM) jenmichael2000: but the recuits would do the rest?
(10:29:47 AM) goldenleo9: Rick, what I mentioned: A form, a procedure, a timeline, and a description of what they're getting into
(10:29:58 AM) hantonr: ok
(10:30:03 AM) goldenleo9: once you have appointed a task force, Mike, they do the rest
(10:30:12 AM) goldenleo9: you decide how many is going ot be on the task force, etc
(10:30:29 AM) jenmichael2000: ...
(10:30:34 AM) hantonr: What are you thinking as a reasonable timeline?
(10:30:53 AM) jenmichael2000: but getting people to work on it would be the responsability of the seds earth chouncil...
(10:31:09 AM) goldenleo9: The seds earth coouncil makes sure it's being done
(10:31:15 AM) goldenleo9: but the responsibility belongs to the task force
(10:31:18 AM) goldenleo9: delegation
(10:31:22 AM) goldenleo9: Rick, two months
(10:31:28 AM) tom.nordheim left the room.
(10:31:30 AM) goldenleo9: given that it's almost christmas, I think that's reasonable
(10:31:37 AM) jenmichael2000: which ultimately means that it is responsible for doing it if nobody else steps forward.
(10:31:43 AM) tom.nordheim entered the room.
(10:31:45 AM) hantonr: Yeah, that sounds good.
(10:31:52 AM) tom.nordheim: hi there Rick
(10:32:04 AM) hantonr: Hello
(10:32:04 AM) goldenleo9: Tom was not seeing you before, Rick
(10:32:05 AM) goldenleo9: Ok
(10:32:08 AM) tom.nordheim: seems like you've been invisible to me for the last 40mins or so:P
(10:32:12 AM) goldenleo9: No, Mike
(10:32:25 AM) goldenleo9: Let's see what happens when no one steps forward, k?
(10:32:36 AM) goldenleo9: the SEDS EARTH council should concentrate on other things
(10:32:44 AM) jenmichael2000: I have to say, at the moment, I am totally occupied with my responsabilities to seds canada, etc.
(10:32:47 AM) goldenleo9: there we go
(10:32:50 AM) goldenleo9: Anyway
(10:32:55 AM) goldenleo9: so two months application time
(10:33:08 AM) jenmichael2000: what I -can- do is mention it at the seds canada meeting wendsday, and get somebody from that group to work on it.
(10:33:13 AM) goldenleo9: seds earth council draws up the application within the next 2 weeks and sends it out
(10:33:33 AM) jenmichael2000: in charge of projects for us... isu alumni, etc.
(10:33:33 AM) goldenleo9: together with a description of the project and the task force
(10:33:40 AM) jenmichael2000: I can think of aname right now, shawna payda.
(10:33:46 AM) goldenleo9: ok
(10:33:50 AM) goldenleo9: anyway
(10:34:03 AM) goldenleo9: applications come in over the next two months
(10:34:26 AM) jenmichael2000: given that I don't consider myself officially a member of this chouncil,
(10:34:28 AM) goldenleo9: and after two months, applications close, council chooses and the task force draws up a project plan and assigns responsibilities
(10:34:31 AM) goldenleo9: make sense?
(10:34:39 AM) goldenleo9: Mike, if you are a member, then it's official
(10:34:42 AM) jenmichael2000: I can chat with pradeep and the other guy and see how they feel about it.
(10:34:42 AM) goldenleo9: it's not a maybe
(10:34:44 AM) goldenleo9: it's a yes or now
(10:34:46 AM) goldenleo9: *no
(10:35:00 AM) hantonr: That sounds good.
(10:35:00 AM) goldenleo9: But anyway
(10:35:08 AM) goldenleo9: Everyone agreed with that?
(10:35:13 AM) goldenleo9: anything to add/modify?
(10:35:14 AM) tom.nordheim: all I can say is be selective about when you approve people
(10:35:17 AM) goldenleo9: yes
(10:35:25 AM) tom.nordheim: it serves no one to have the wrong people participating
(10:35:26 AM) goldenleo9: the council should also draw up a criteria
(10:35:33 AM) jenmichael2000: I don't consider myself a member at all... yet. (just to clarify ;)
(10:35:41 AM) tom.nordheim: member of what?
(10:35:41 AM) hantonr: Will the council choose someone out of the applicants to lead the task force?
(10:35:49 AM) goldenleo9: and then submit all choices to advisors to get their opinions
(10:35:54 AM) goldenleo9: telling them we are being HIGHLY selective
(10:36:03 AM) goldenleo9: yes, the council will
(10:36:14 AM) goldenleo9: the key here is to motivate the other seds members around the world to act
(10:36:21 AM) goldenleo9: does no good to concentrate leadership in a few hands
(10:36:26 AM) goldenleo9: everyone should have a chance
(10:36:32 AM) hantonr: definately
(10:36:54 AM) jenmichael2000: ok...
(10:37:04 AM) goldenleo9: alright
(10:37:04 AM) tom.nordheim: mike: not a member of what?
(10:37:24 AM) tom.nordheim: thinkl you lost me here...
(10:37:26 AM) jenmichael2000: the seds earth chouncil.
(10:37:27 AM) tom.nordheim: -l
(10:37:31 AM) goldenleo9: Mike, since you're the only member of the council here, the charge falls to you then to communicate with the other two about this
(10:37:50 AM) jenmichael2000: I expressed interest, with the understanding that it was subject to the status of the seds canada website.
(10:37:58 AM) goldenleo9: To recap the important points:
(10:38:06 AM) tom.nordheim: hmm well if not then I would say that I consider that chair up for re-election, either you are a part of it or you're not
(10:38:20 AM) jenmichael2000: but I -can- chat to pradeep about it, since he -is- an official member.
(10:38:37 AM) tom.nordheim: YOU ARE AN OFFICAL MEMBER!
(10:38:49 AM) jenmichael2000: question: who ever said I was a member?
(10:39:04 AM) jenmichael2000: I sense some frustration :)
(10:39:06 AM) goldenleo9: I saw something to that effect (by you) in the forums for one
(10:39:09 AM) goldenleo9: so you do acknowledge it
(10:39:11 AM) tom.nordheim: http://wiki.seds.org/index.php/SEDSWiki:SEDS-Earth
(10:39:25 AM) jenmichael2000: following the link...
(10:39:53 AM) jenmichael2000: oh... that does look official...
(10:40:02 AM) jenmichael2000: for the record, I did not post that...
(10:40:11 AM) jenmichael2000: probably pradeep...
(10:40:22 AM) tom.nordheim: ok right
(10:40:26 AM) tom.nordheim: so just to confirm
(10:40:35 AM) tom.nordheim: are you a mamber of the seds earth council or not?
(10:40:54 AM) tom.nordheim: otherwise just edit your name out from that page
(10:41:12 AM) jenmichael2000: looks like it...
(10:41:24 AM) jenmichael2000: I am certainly working on it...
(10:41:25 AM) tom.nordheim : ok now it's offical:P
(10:41:31 AM) jenmichael2000: :)
(10:42:13 AM) jenmichael2000: damn... more responsibility...
(10:42:19 AM) jenmichael2000: sigh.
(10:42:25 AM) hantonr: lol
(10:42:56 AM) goldenleo9: ok
(10:42:57 AM) goldenleo9: Anyway
(10:42:59 AM) jenmichael2000: well, seems like I have stuck my foot in my mouth once again... anythine else to add?
(10:43:01 AM) jenmichael2000: ;)
(10:43:14 AM) goldenleo9: Mike, if you think you can't do it, then talk to Kirk and open the chair up for reelection
(10:43:19 AM) goldenleo9: RECAP:
(10:43:28 AM) goldenleo9: Lav1) We have a Space Aechive

Lav2) We use the Wiki Lav3) We have a task force Michael Jensenarticles of a certain calibre... now we are getting somewhere! Lav4) People apply to be on the task force? Applications approved by SEDS EARTH Council heads Lav5) Task Force takes charge of the Space Archive Michael Jensenyou can't have articles of a certain calibre if you are only collecting links! Lav6) Task Force delegates responsibility

(10:43:55 AM) goldenleo9: Lavseds earth council draws up the application within the next 2 weeks and sends it out

Lavtogether with a description of the project and the task force Lavapplications come in over the next two months Lavand after two months, applications close, council chooses, with the help of advisors, and the task force draws up a project plan and assigns responsibilities task force leader chosen from one of the applicants

(10:44:07 AM) goldenleo9: given that I'm copy-pasting, there's bound to be repetition :)
(10:44:14 AM) goldenleo9: but is there anything else that needs to be added?
(10:44:25 AM) tom.nordheim: lavseds, I like the sound of that:p
(10:44:34 AM) goldenleo9: hahahaha :P
(10:44:36 AM) goldenleo9: thanks
(10:44:40 AM) jenmichael2000: and if nobody applies?
(10:44:41 AM) goldenleo9: My own chapter
(10:44:44 AM) goldenleo9: *swoon* I am so touched
(10:44:46 AM) jenmichael2000: then we have another meeting...
(10:44:47 AM) goldenleo9: Thank you thank you
(10:44:53 AM) goldenleo9: And don't forget to tip your waitress
(10:44:58 AM) goldenleo9: yes
(10:45:00 AM) goldenleo9: Speaking of
(10:45:08 AM) goldenleo9: when do you think we should hold the next meeting?
(10:45:08 AM) jenmichael2000: lavseds... ;)
(10:45:20 AM) tom.nordheim: same time next week?
(10:45:33 AM) jenmichael2000: in two weeks, just after the seds earth chouncil thing is to be sent out ;)
(10:45:47 AM) tom.nordheim: I'd hope these meetings would be mandatory for the people in the council
(10:45:52 AM) jenmichael2000: next week? sure...
(10:45:54 AM) tom.nordheim: unless they have a good reason for not being here
(10:46:06 AM) hantonr: I like tom's point
(10:46:08 AM) goldenleo9: two weeks
(10:46:10 AM) goldenleo9: same time
(10:46:12 AM) jenmichael2000: *these meetings*
(10:46:20 AM) jenmichael2000: should we give them a name?
(10:46:21 AM) goldenleo9: I agree with Tom
(10:46:33 AM) jenmichael2000: seds earth super chouncil?
(10:46:38 AM) goldenleo9: no
(10:46:41 AM) goldenleo9: SEDS EARTH Meetings
(10:46:44 AM) goldenleo9: We're all just members
(10:46:46 AM) goldenleo9: Anyway.
(10:46:47 AM) jenmichael2000: ah...
(10:46:50 AM) goldenleo9: I vote for two weeks
(10:46:59 AM) hantonr: Two weeks sounds good.
(10:47:01 AM) jenmichael2000: sounds like a "so long for now..."
(10:47:04 AM) goldenleo9: Unless you want to meet next week to check the draft of the application form?
(10:47:20 AM) jenmichael2000: dec 24th.
(10:47:24 AM) jenmichael2000: christmas day...
(10:47:24 AM) goldenleo9: Agh
(10:47:30 AM) hantonr: boo
(10:47:31 AM) goldenleo9: 24th not good, crap
(10:47:34 AM) goldenleo9: so next week then?
(10:47:34 AM) jenmichael2000: seems we had a similar issue last year...
(10:47:42 AM) tom.nordheim: yeah next week is good
(10:47:44 AM) goldenleo9: Ok
(10:47:49 AM) hantonr: ok
(10:47:50 AM) tom.nordheim: hey I turned up on christmas eve last year:P
(10:47:52 AM) goldenleo9: same time, unless someone has a problem with this time?
(10:48:03 AM) jenmichael2000: sure...
(10:48:06 AM) tom.nordheim: fine by me
(10:48:11 AM) goldenleo9: awesome.
(10:48:18 AM) jenmichael2000: and we will discuss... something ;)
(10:48:18 AM) goldenleo9: Ok, Mike, I need you to do one thing.
(10:48:22 AM) goldenleo9: You know that recap I just posted?
(10:48:23 AM) jenmichael2000: ?
(10:48:34 AM) jenmichael2000: yep.
(10:48:43 AM) goldenleo9: Can you prettify it and put i t in the forums under an appropriate heading in the SEDS EARTH section?
(10:48:50 AM) jenmichael2000: sure.
(10:49:06 AM) jenmichael2000: and send it to the list... get people ready...
(10:49:15 AM) goldenleo9: And then can you send out an email for the next meeting (next week 1400 GMT) to all the mailing lists? Seds-earth, seds-discuss, seds-info, sgtalk
(10:49:19 AM) goldenleo9: anything you can thing of
(10:49:30 AM) jenmichael2000: right... ;)
(10:49:32 AM) goldenleo9: Alright
(10:49:33 AM) goldenleo9: yes even the SGAC lists
(10:49:38 AM) goldenleo9: Just getting the word out there
(10:49:43 AM) goldenleo9: I have to get to studying
(10:49:46 AM) jenmichael2000: perhaps you could do the mailing?
(10:49:50 AM) jenmichael2000: ok :)
(10:49:51 AM) goldenleo9: I have exams
(10:49:56 AM) jenmichael2000: right.
(10:49:58 AM) goldenleo9: I'm sorry :(
(10:50:01 AM) jenmichael2000: good excuse ;)
(10:50:03 AM) tom.nordheim: hey you're the one who's officiall a member of the council;)
(10:50:05 AM) tom.nordheim: *
(10:50:10 AM) tom.nordheim: officially
(10:50:15 AM) jenmichael2000: shush! ;)
(10:50:17 AM) goldenleo9: It's true
(10:50:20 AM) goldenleo9: I have one early in the morning
(10:50:23 AM) goldenleo9: So I REALLY have to gp
(10:50:25 AM) goldenleo9: *go
(10:50:31 AM) jenmichael2000: we believe you lav:)
(10:50:33 AM) goldenleo9: I'll look forward to the mail in the mailing lists :P
(10:50:37 AM) goldenleo9: Rick, it was good meeting you :)
(10:50:38 AM) tom.nordheim: ok see you crazy kids same time next week:)
(10:50:42 AM) jenmichael2000: lavseds ;)

(10:50:43 AM) hantonr: good to meet you too
(10:50:50 AM) goldenleo9: If you can get other seds usa chapter leaders to attend that'd be great :)
(10:50:57 AM) jenmichael2000: ya, bie hanton... :)
(10:51:00 AM) hantonr: I'll see what I can do
(10:51:04 AM) goldenleo9: Thanks :)
(10:51:05 AM) jenmichael2000: name again?
(10:51:13 AM) hantonr: Rick
(10:51:13 AM) jenmichael2000: hantion?
(10:51:16 AM) jenmichael2000: rick.
(10:51:18 AM) jenmichael2000: good.
(10:51:22 AM) jenmichael2000: next week :)
(10:51:43 AM) hantonr: Thanks, I've got to go study for exams too. Bye!
(10:51:50 AM) goldenleo9: Oh, Mike, my Messenger client saves the transcripts so weirdly it's barely readable (as you saw with the lavseds)
(10:51:56 AM) hantonr: Hanton
(10:52:00 AM) goldenleo9: can you email me your transcript?
(10:52:08 AM) goldenleo9: Good luck, Rick
(10:52:30 AM) tom.nordheim left the room.
(10:53:08 AM) goldenleo9: Mike?
(10:53:19 AM) goldenleo9: ick
(10:53:25 AM) goldenleo9: I tried copy pasting too and it didn't work
(10:53:27 AM) goldenleo9: stupid YM
(10:54:31 AM) hantonr left the room.
(10:55:38 AM) jenmichael2000: still here...
(10:56:01 AM) jenmichael2000: sure...
(10:56:16 AM) goldenleo9: thank you
(10:56:24 AM) jenmichael2000: where again?
(10:56:28 AM) goldenleo9: I need to get it on the wiki/send it to kirk to get it to the wiki
(10:56:35 AM) goldenleo9: lavina.parwani@gmail.com
(10:56:35 AM) jenmichael2000: ya, were does this go...
(10:56:47 AM) jenmichael2000: protoforge deels with transcripts really well...
(10:56:53 AM) jenmichael2000: ok...
(10:57:07 AM) jenmichael2000: have a good exam ;)

2007 SEDS-Earth Meetings

Meeting Minutes: 10 Dec

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